洪英園的話 A Word from Hong Ying-yuan

這是來自大觀自救會所舉辦之大觀社區導覽的紀實錄音，也是《大觀錄二段40號》的取樣素材之一
This is a recording of the Daguan community tour guide, which is used as sound material to make the album "No. 40, Section 2, Daguan Rd," released in support of the Daguan community in New Taipei City, Taiwan that is about to be evicted in June, 2019.

鄭宇焱：
那許萍阿姨就是很典型的榮眷，她本身也在醫院擔任清潔工。其實社區裡面有很多像這樣子的榮民、榮眷，還依然在這個社區裡面生活。

再過來這邊就是洪叔叔家。（洪叔叔有在嗎？洪叔叔？）洪叔叔是從彰化上來的。
那我們可以發現在大觀社區裡面，過去的歷史形成脈絡，有榮民、榮眷。但是在五、六零年代，那時候台灣正經濟起飛。為了尋求更好的工作機會，有很多城鄉移民來到台北。來到浮州這邊尋求更好的生活環境與工作機會。我們交給洪叔叔。

洪英園：
大家好，我叫洪英園。我來這個社區已經有三十五年了。我是從七十一年，大觀路還沒拓寬。二線道還是石子路的時候就來到這邊。我是彰化二林人，會來這邊是因為姑姑的關係，姑姑在26號。當時政府正在開放回大陸探親，第一代的老榮民就賣給我，我就從那時候住到現在。當初也不知道啦，也不是每個人都願意這樣子。但是當初我們想說我們跟他買了以後，畢竟他也有證明給我們，我們可能可以安居樂業一輩子。沒想到到九十七年它（退輔會）在告的時候，大家才發覺不太對勁。因為這個社區大部分都是全家移民到這邊的人。但是當初也是政府開放(探親)，他們錢就拿回中國就沒有回來了。所以才會形成整個社區這樣子，大概就是這樣。

鄭宇焱：
剛剛洪叔叔有講到一個東西：其實後來民國八十年之後開放大陸探親的時候，也是後來這些榮民、榮眷回到大陸去，把這些房子賣給後來的城鄉移民。等一下也會陸陸續續介紹，我們社區裡面還有其他城鄉移民。洪叔叔也是在自救會裡面很認真的居民，我們謝謝洪叔叔。

Zheng Yu-yan:
Aunty Xu Ping is a classic veteran’s child, having worked in a hospital as a cleaner herself. In fact, many of the DaGuan’s residents are children of veterans or veterans themselves, yet in the absence of other options have no choice but to live here.

Over here is Uncle Hong’s house (Uncle Hong, are you there? Uncle Hong?). Uncle Hong is originally from ChangHua county. Historically, DaGuan was primarily a residence for veterans and their families. But in the 50s and 60s, Taiwan’s economy really started to take off. In order to capitalise on emerging job prospects, many residents of smaller towns and villages migrated to Taipei, and many of them came to Fuzhou district in search of better work opportunities and living conditions. Let’s see what Uncle Hong has to say.

Hong Ying-yuan:
Hi everyone, my name is Hong Ying-yuan. I’ve been a resident of this community for 35 years now. I first came here in 1982, before DaGuan Road was even widened to four lanes, and when the 2nd ring road was nothing but cobbled stones. My hometown is Erlin Township in Changhua, and I would come here to visit my Aunt on my father’s side, she lived in number 26. At the time time, Taiwan was just beginning to allow Taiwanese citizens to return to the Chinese mainland to visit relatives. An old veteran sold the property to me, and I’ve lived here from then until now. But at the time I didn’t know, not everyone’s willing to be like that. When we decided to buy [the property] from him - after all he gave us all the paperwork- we thought we could live and work in peace. It wasn’t until 2008 when the Veterans Affairs Office reported us did we realise something wasn’t quite right. A large majority of the community’s residents moved here with their families, but when they [the veterans] returned to the mainland and took all their money with them, and so that’s what caused this whole situation. That’s my understanding anyway.

Zheng Yu-yan:
Just now as Uncle Hong was explaining, in the 80s when Taiwan first allowed residents to visit relatives in China, many of the veterans and their dependants chose to return to the mainland and sold their properties off to rural migrants who’d just moved to Taipei. In a moment I will introduce the other rural migrants who live in the community. Uncle Hong is one of the members of the Daguan self-help group. Thanks again Uncle Hong.

Transcription: 許莫
Translator: 彭克